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| Posted by: richardavn Mar 7 2019, 09:23 PM |
| Twenty two helicopters were put up for auction while the National Vietnam Veterans Museum had there all over dark green exhibit A17-007 on display outside their tent. Alongside this was a single frame up for auction: A17-003 Lot 16 A single frame was also in the Exhibition Hall (Hall 3) closest to the runway side A17-026 Lot 1 On the base, a group of six were displayed along with PC-9/A A23-004 (Lot 25) on its wheels while A23-059 (Lot 28) was on a jig with wings off. These six were later relocated to the northern hangar / compound were another thirteen were stored. The six were: A17-011 Lot 5 A17-015 Lot 2 A17-016 Lot 6 A17-028 Lot 4 A17-046 Lot 7 A17-047 Lot 3 There were originally thirteen frames in a compound outside the northern most hangar, the group of six were added later, then all were relocated inside one of the hangars: A17-004 Lot 21 A17-017 Lot 18 A17-018 Lot 13 A17-029 Lot 9 A17-031 Lot 12 A17-032 Lot 8 A17-036 Lot 11 A17-037 Lot 17 A17-038 Lot 20 A17-039 Lot 19 A17-040 Lot 10 A17-049 Lot 14 Data plate missing but had radio call plate A17-051 Lot 15 Finally, a single Kiowa was located in the northern hangar with all the bits and pieces etc A17-044 Lot 22 All radio callsign plates still on dash and ALL Data plates were checked. Prices noted on the auction website a couple of days before closing were approximately between $8,000 and $50,000. Similarly with PC-9/A disposals. Already mentioned A23-004 and A23-059 A23-066 (Lot 27) and A23-067 (Lot 29) were stored in the main auction hangar with wings off in purpose built jigs while A23-043 (Lot 26) was on its wheels in the compound containing the thirteen Kiowas, bid prices noted were up around $20,000 to $50,000 odd and were basically all gutted shells, no seats no instrumentation etc so what peeps are/were planning to do with is anyones guess, engines would likely be farnacled. If anyone followed the auction and got more updated bid prices I would appreciate these be passed on. Cheers Richard Siudak Perth, Western Australia |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Mar 11 2019, 12:00 PM |
| Richard I have all the final Kiowa bids recorded. Give me a day or two to arrange them in some order and I will post them here In the meantime the PC-9 results are in the RAAF section; |
| Posted by: richardavn Mar 11 2019, 10:55 PM |
| Brilliant Martin! I wonder how the end user certificate will read to ensure these are not found strafing some village in Africa. A mate in the know tells me that these PC-9/A frames were likely the worst of the worst and could simply have been acquired for the PT-6 engines that could be overhauled and re-used in something else. He says that once the final auction on this type is made there could be some much better frames with some bargain prices perhaps. Looking forward to the Kiowa final prices, very well done for getting them. Kind Regards Richard |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Mar 11 2019, 11:51 PM |
| My pleasure Richard The high bidder on all the PC-9s gives their address as Sandton Gauteng, an area within Johannesburg. They also placed loosing bids on the airworthy Kiowas It was a bit much to keep an eye on the other auctions going off at the same time but an interesting pick was an unserviceable Kiowa engine that went for over $107,519 |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Mar 13 2019, 09:53 AM |
| A17-003 Lot 16 $29,009 BA O'Connell NSW A17-004 Lot 21 $111,009 eq Victoriaville Canada A17-011 Lot 5 $160,109 JP Launceston TAS A17-015 Lot 2 $210,409 rt Broome WA A17-016 Lot 6 $210,009 EJ Hillston NSW A17-017 Lot 18 $28,509 JS Currumbin Waters QLD A17-018 Lot 13 $95,209 BB Kelvin Grove QLD A17-026 Lot 1 $250,209 AF Smithfield QLD A17-028 Lot 4 $225,609 cm Malvern VIC A17-029 Lot 9 $107,109 is Kellyville NSW A17-031 Lot 12 $109,709 JP Launceston TAS A17-032 Lot 8 $97,409 SO Horsley Park NSW A17-036 Lot 11 $100,709 SO Horsley Park NSW A17-037 Lot 17 $27,209 MG Victoria Park WA A17-038 Lot 20 $95,309 DD Pascoe Vale VIC A17-039 Lot 19 $89,309 rh Waroona WA A17-040 Lot 10 $96,509 DD Pascoe Vale VIC A17-044 Lot 22 $38,209 JM Cooroy QLD A17-046 Lot 7 $300,009 AF Smithfield QLD A17-047 Lot 3 $189,109 JP Tyabb VIC A17-049 Lot 14 $78,309 dd St Andrews Beach VIC A17-051 Lot 15 $80,809 eq Victoriaville Canada |
| Posted by: richardavn Mar 13 2019, 08:11 PM |
| Thank you very much Martin for posting this disposition list. Some interesting new homes. A well known South Australian identity was looking at them and had his chief engineer fly over to check. A heap of Kiowa spares etc were up for offer too but he did not have a successful bid to secure any. Some of them had served as GIFs so were never likely to fly again. Ties up an historic end to what was a good run in ADF service. Ciao Richard |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Mar 14 2019, 02:25 PM |
| You are most welcome Richard. I also have details of airframe hours, time since o/h etc which I will add to the Kiowa page It's a pity that all the auctions were happening at once because I would of liked to have recorded how much the spares sold for. Too much for this little black duck I am afraid. |
| Posted by: richardavn Mar 14 2019, 09:50 PM |
| Yes Martin, Once again many thanks for your diligence in securing this invaluable information, a media colleague contacted the auction house long prior to the auction to get sales results but has hit a frosty silence. Met up with a mate in the huge hangar for an inspection (I had a lazy couple of hundred bucks in my wallet - was well priced out) with all the lots laid out. He said some of the green boxes containing gear were worth much more than their contents. Would have been a bit of a clusterf&*k with everyone turning up to collect their gear over a 72 hour pickup period. I spoke to another mate who used to work on PC-9s who said when the final ones are withdrawn around late June there will be some better models up for grabs so will be interested to see where they land up and how much. Hopefully I am still around (I have advanced stage four terminal cancer - all good at the moment ) to follow the auction to assist you and perhaps others to record the final outcome. I did speak with a senior RAAFie who said that the Hornets to Canada had not been finalised as this would be done over the next couple of years or so but he intimated that the twenty odd would go to Canada, another twenty odd would land up as gate guard / museum pieces while the remaining 20 or so would likely be cut up for scrap. Seems the PC-9s will see several go to Wagga, 006 is likely to get its Chief of Air Force colours back and land up in Canberra while 001 will go to Point Cook. I also hear that one of the FAC birds will join the Fighterworld collection. Some interesting times ahead to keep abreast of. Little birdie tells me that nothing will be retained for Pearce so maybe East Sale might miss out too. Cheers Richard |
| Posted by: richardavn Apr 1 2019, 01:59 PM |
| Seemingly two more Kiowas are up for auction by the same mob that auctioned off the 22 at Avalon. A bit too far for me to check out from Perth so if any kind souls nearby to Bandiana can follow through and advise the group it would be much appreciated. Ciao Richard Siudak The email I received reads in part: Did you miss out on a helicopter or two in our last aviation auction? We've got news for you - this month we have two Bell 206B-1 (Kiowa) helicopters available for auction, plus: Kiowa Parts (hubs, blades, jacks, airframe & electrical components Scout Helicopter Gearbox Squirrel Parts Ultra Light Aircraft Aircraft Vertical Stabiliser Don't miss out, auction starts Thursday 4th of April - inspection details below. AUCTION DATES AND LOCATION AUCTION LIVE APRIL 4TH - APRIL 10TH INSPECTION FRIDAY 5TH & SATURDAY 6TH APRIL BETWEEN 9:00AM - 4.00PM GAZA RIDGE NORTH BARRACKS, MURRAY VALLEY HIGHWAY (B400) , BANDIANA, VIC, 3694 |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 3 2019, 09:08 AM |
| We will find out exactly which they are tomorrow (although there are three seen in the Grays photo) https://www.graysonline.com/sale/3015556/military/ex-military-helicopters-and-aviation-parts?spr=true |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 4 2019, 03:00 PM |
| The first three Kiowa have shown up on the https://www.regosearch.com/search/results/?&co=au&Nf2=model&Of2=eq&Vf2=B%2FA+206B-1 VH-NKH Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model:B/A 206B-1 Serial:44526 Holder/Operator:NAUTILUS AVIATION PTY LTD VH-XKH Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model:B/A 206B-1 Serial:44547 Holder/Operator:MOUNT GALLIPOLI PTY. LTD. VH-ZDI Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model:B/A 206B-1 Serial:44546 Holder/Operator:NAUTILUS AVIATION PTY LTD Thanks Brenden Scott |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 4 2019, 03:19 PM |
| The two offered for sale at Bandiana are https://www.graysonline.com/lot/2008-3015556/military/lot-2008-bell-kiowa-206b-1-light-utility-helicopter and https://www.graysonline.com/lot/2011-3015556/military/lot-2011-bell-kiowa-206b-1-light-utility-helicopter Relisted from the Avalon auction |
| Posted by: richardavn Apr 9 2019, 04:14 PM |
| Another auctioned off Kiowa has been added to the VH- register with the former A17-015 msn 44515 being allocated VH-NPY. Ciao Richard Siudak PS Martin E can you please pm me offline as I have photographs of all the Kiowas at Avalon to send that can be added to the images page - ta |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 10 2019, 04:48 PM |
| The new owners make it hard when they don't use the same presentation of the model The first three were shown as B/A 206B-1. This one as B A 206B-1 so it doesn't show in same search results. I will have to work on a better search criteria. NPY Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model: B A 206B-1 Serial number: 44515 No of engines: 1 Aircraft first registered in Australia: 1 April 2019 Year of manufacture: 1973 Registration holder: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD PO Box 950 BROOME WA 6725 Australia Registration holder commencement date: 1 April 2019 Registered operator: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD PO Box 950 BROOME WA 6725 Australia Registered operator commencement date: 1 April 2019 |
| Posted by: richardavn Apr 10 2019, 08:52 PM |
| Missed the first Kiowa, internet problems over here (almost as slow as dial-up), A17-036 had 405 bids for $116,909 but will likely have buyers premium of 9% plus the GST added, bumping it up a bit. Richard Siudak |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 10 2019, 11:09 PM |
| A17-032 went for $126,109 |
| Posted by: Brenden S Apr 13 2019, 10:38 AM |
| Reg: VH-NPY Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Type: B A 206B-1 CN: 44515 Owner: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD Address: PO Box 950, BROOME, WA, 6725, Australia Operator: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD Address: PO Box 950, BROOME, WA, 6725, Australia Date Reg: 01 April 2019 |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 15 2019, 05:07 PM |
| Added images from the Grays Online Auction held during the 2019 Avalon Airshow (thanks to Richard Siudak) http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/Kiowa A17-003, 004, 011, 015, 016, 017, 018, 026, 028, 029, 031, 032, 036, 037, 038, 039, 040, 044, 046, 047, 049, 051 It is interesting to note that the two that were auctioned a second time at Bandiana fetched greater prices than they did at the first Avalon auction. A17-032 went for $126,109 (Originally $97,409) A17-036 went for $116,909 (Originally $100,709) |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 15 2019, 05:16 PM |
| Another of the higher priced Kiowas ($225,609) has appeared on the CASA register A17-028 is now registered VH-LTL Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model: B/A 206B-1 Serial number: 44528 No of engines: 1 Aircraft first registered in Australia: 9 April 2019 Year of manufacture: 1974 Registration holder: COMBO INTERNATIONAL CO. PTY LTD 10 Mountview Rd MALVERN VIC 3144 Australia Registration holder commencement date: 9 April 2019 Registered operator: COMBO INTERNATIONAL CO. PTY LTD 10 Mountview Rd MALVERN VIC 3144 Australia Registered operator commencement date: 9 April 2019 |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 19 2019, 03:04 PM |
| Kiowa A17-016 Wagga 17th April 2019 Photo Robert Myers |
| Posted by: Brenden S Apr 23 2019, 01:33 PM |
| Reg: VH-IKH Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Type: B/A 206B-1 CN: 44529 Owner: SMART, Ian Jeffery KELLYVILLE, NSW, 2155, Australia |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Apr 29 2019, 10:06 PM |
| A17-031 now VH-JJP Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model: B/A 206B-1 Serial number: 44531 No of engines: 1 Aircraft first registered in Australia: 24 April 2019 Year of manufacture: 1975 Registration holder: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD PO Box 395 KINGS MEADOWS TAS 7249 Australia Registration holder commencement date: 24 April 2019 Registered operator: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD PO Box 395 KINGS MEADOWS TAS 7249 Australia Registered operator commencement date: 24 April 2019 This may of been the pick of the crop having sat inside displayed at Oakey museum for the last 12 years I remember VH-JJP as an ex-Ansett Junior Jumbo (BAe 146) The JP is this and A17-011 (VH-VJP) will be Joe Pentridge. He shows on the ABN register as "Helicopter Tours Tasmania" so that gives an indication of their future use. |
| Posted by: richardavn Apr 30 2019, 01:29 PM |
| Yet another ex Army Kiowa A17-011 escapes onto the Aussie Civil Register: Reg: VH-VJP Manu: BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON INC. Type: 206B-1 CN: 44511 Owner: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD Address: PO Box 395, KINGS MEADOWS, TAS, 7249, Australia Operator: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD Address: PO Box 395, KINGS MEADOWS, TAS, 7249, Australia Date Reg: 24 April 2019 Fantastic to see these frames live on, going through my Avalon log, two of the former Air Force / Army /Navy Squirrels were recorded, unfortunately I did not take shots - doh! Cheers Richard Siudak |
| Posted by: Brenden S Apr 30 2019, 10:46 PM |
| Martin and Richard, you two boys are quick on the register updates. |
| Posted by: richardavn Apr 30 2019, 11:05 PM |
| Yes Brenden, have a mate that emails them on to me as soon as he gets them! Got to keep the thread up to date in a timely manner.... Surprised to see some of these get on the register so soon, many of the frames at Avalon were missing critical parts, ie rotors, stabilisers and even engines. Would have been interested to see how these parts etc went at auction as many would have been needed to get frames back to flying status. Maintenance on the fliers would have been spot on by the Army so reckon that most would have been genuine bargains at the end of the day, the Bell 206 frame is a well proven frame so many of these should enjoy a second life in the civil sphere of operations. Some will no doubt be repainted, however, I hope some will retain their camo and may get their possum markings back where applicable. Richard S |
| Posted by: Brenden S May 1 2019, 01:53 PM |
| They have to be added to the register for folk like me to carry out maintenance on them. |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards May 1 2019, 02:00 PM |
| I'll leave the new CASA registrations to you then Richard, saves me checking the register daily, your method sounds much easier. When they appear here I will update the Kiowa page As I have mentioned in another post an aircraft appearing on the register doesn't necessarily indicate anything as far as its airworthiness goes The registrations allocated to the RAN HF are a good example. C-47B A65-86 VH-NVD has been on the register since August 2000, now at RAAHC unlikely to ever fly again. |
| Posted by: richardavn May 7 2019, 04:58 PM |
| They keep on getting added to the oz register! Reg: VH-XKY Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Type: B/A 206B-1 CN: 44532 Owner: CODE BLACK PTY LTD Address: 15 Bilgola Crt, MT ELIZA, VIC, 3930, Australia Operator: CODE BLACK PTY LTD Address: 15 Bilgola Crt, MT ELIZA, VIC, 3930, Australia Date Reg: 02 May 2019 So A17-032 lives on! Ciao Richard |
| Posted by: GregHyde Jun 3 2019, 02:54 PM |
| Add VH-HRF HRF Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. Model: B/A 206B-1 Serial number: 44539 No of engines: 1 Aircraft first registered in Australia: 28 May 2019 Year of manufacture: 1975 Registration holder: CHARLES HULL CONTRACTING CO. PTY LTD PO Box 63 WAROONA WA 6215 Australia Registration holder commencement date: 28 May 2019 Registered operator: CHARLES HULL CONTRACTING CO. PTY LTD PO Box 63 WAROONA WA 6215 Australia Registered operator commencement date: 28 May 2019 |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Jun 3 2019, 03:23 PM |
| Thanks Greg uploaded to http://www.adf-serials.com.au/3a17.htm |
| Posted by: GregHyde Jul 15 2019, 10:16 AM |
| And Another EJZ EJZ COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44516 09/07/2019 ADD JONES, Edward Lloyd 5375 Mosagiel Rd HILLSTON NSW 2675 |
| Posted by: GregHyde Aug 5 2019, 10:20 AM |
| Two more PWU COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44540 31/07/2019 ADD WEYMOUTH, John Victor PO Box 5131 DORA CREEK NSW 2264 JQN COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44538 01/08/2019 ADD WEYMOUTH, John Victor PO Box 5131 DORA CREEK NSW 2264 |
| Posted by: Brenden S Aug 5 2019, 09:01 PM |
| Great to see so many of them come onto the register. A shame the Huey's were not allowed to fly. |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Aug 11 2019, 05:06 PM |
| http://www.adf-serials.com.au/3a17.htm |
| Posted by: Brenden S Aug 17 2019, 03:23 AM |
| I have transcribed some of the info from the Kiowa page to here to see the gaps from the ones which have been sold to private buyers and registered or Not yet registered. At least we know the gaps and we will just have to hurry up and wait. A17-003 - N/A - NSW A17-004 - N/A - Canada A17-011 - VH-VJP - TAS A17-015 - N/A - WA A17-016 - VH-EJZ - NSW A17-017 - N/A - QLD A17-018 - N/A - QLD A17-026 - VH-NKH - QLD A17-028 - VH-LTL - VIC A17-029 - VH-IKH - NSW A17-031 - VH-JJP - TAS A17-032 - VH-XKY - VIC A17-036 - N/A - WA A17-037 - N/A - WA A17-038 - VH-JQN - NSW A17-039 - VH-HRF - WA A17-040 - VH-PWU - NSW A17-044 - N/A - QLD A17-046 - VH-ZDI - QLD A17-047 - VH-XKH - VIC A17-049 - N/A - VIC A17-051 - N/A - Canada |
| Posted by: richardavn Aug 17 2019, 11:57 AM |
| Great work Brenden, Just noted on Aussieadsb.com that A17-011 (VH-VJP) flying today but still spitting out it's Australian Army ADSB SBS code! Agree with your sentiment on the UH-1Hs, will be interesting as Avalon is due Australian Army S-70Bs, they already have a pile of "spares" delivered, for disposal, maybe some of the Victorian subscribers could keep an eye on Avalon for sightings. Ciao Richard Siudak |
| Posted by: Martin Edwards Aug 20 2019, 04:44 PM |
| Kiowa A17-005 Bribie Island Vietnam Veterans Memorial Park opposite the Bribie RSL Photo Chris Jamesson |
| Posted by: Brenden S Aug 21 2019, 05:21 AM |
| I wonder how many years before that looks like crap. |
| Posted by: enfield38 Sep 7 2019, 11:11 AM |
| I notice there's an AUSCAM Kiowa hulk towards the end of the TV add for the new Dora the Explorer kid's movie. |
| Posted by: GregHyde Mar 2 2020, 09:30 AM |
| A17-018 added to reg as VH-CLL on 26/02/20 to HELIFAN PTY LTD P.O. Box 3391 Newmarket QLD 4051 |
| Posted by: GregHyde Mar 23 2020, 12:55 PM |
| A17-004 added to Canadian register as C-FKAN on 27/01/2020 to Héli Centre Inc. Victoriaville, QC, Canada |