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Luig |
Posted: Jul 4 2014, 05:01 PM
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Firstly bugsmasher you need to know what Fleet Base East and West are. All the other stuff about what goes where is already decided for the RAAF F-35As. We have not even got any F-35Bs yet and you want to base them at mythical places. Just get up to speed with what you do not know. That would be magic.
When I first arrived at NAS Nowra beginning of 1969 the Commander Air told a group of us sprogs: "What you don't know - you don't know you don't know". Chew on that. We found out until the day we die there are things we will never know. Just deal with what is important and all the rest comes along - first you have to know what is important. Find out what Fleet Bases East and West are. AND another thing which is really silly of you to do. Stop assuming either you know what I am thinking or know what I know. For example as far as I recall I RAAF Tindal did not exist up until the mid 1970s when I left the RAN. As far as flying north I have only ever been up to the airfield at Forster in a Macchi. I never went west to Pearce in an A4G although others did. I went to Woomera in a Macchi though - wow. Mostly our op area was south of Nowra in the early 1970s although it did expand later to include the WEST and Brisbane AFAIK. I went to Willytown a couple of times but that was it in the early years although as I mentioned others ventured further because that is what happened. STOP assuming stuff and riffing off on these imaginings. This post has been edited by Luig on Jul 4 2014, 05:06 PM |
F/A-18 Super Bug |
Posted: Jul 5 2014, 01:23 PM
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As you stated RAAF Tindal will get ONE Squadron and RAAF base Williamtown will get TWO Squadrons once all of the first batch of 72 are delivered. However it looks like both bases are getting a major investments: Around $1.6 billion in new facilities and infrastructure will be constructed, including at RAAF Base Williamtown in New South Wales and RAAF Base Tindal in the Northern Territory From RAAF website. $1.6 billion is a hell of a lot of money to spend on "facilities and infrastructure". Maybe another tin shed hanger or two should do the trick :P
Look I'm just a kid here so my opinion lacks knowledge and experience however hear me out. As Australia does not power project like the US does or like the RN once did then there is no need for an aircraft carrier. The Royal Australian Navy since it lost the HMAS Melbourne ceased to be a Blue-water navy. Yeah sure we'll send an Anzac class frigate across to the Persian Gulf or part of an international Task Force combating Somali pirates off near the Gulf of Aden but that's about it isn't it? I do know that HMAS Anzac fired the first RAN shot in anger since Vietnam (31 year gap) back in the Invasion stage of the 2003 Iraq War being only her 5 inch gun supporting British Royal Marines landings. Other than that all they seem to be doing from the public POV now is intercepting illegal people smuggling boats (and now turning them back), protecting our northern EEZ from illegal fishing and terrorism on our oil rigs and maybe possible drug runners on a rare occasion. Some buddy told me that it costs about $250,000 a day to keep an Anzac class frigate running and they only have a complement of about 160 sailors. So imagine what these new LHDs are going to cost fully loaded. @Luig
That's why I'm here to learn! Anyways what am I missing here mate about the Fleet bases? They are our two major Navy bases on both sides of the country. What else is there? |
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 5 2014, 02:42 PM
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GOOGLE is a good search engine. That would be a start. Why would aircraft be based at a Naval Ship Base? And so on.....
Ah the joys of reading one of my PDFs with F-35 material OR just searching the internet eh. I do not know how many FMS the RAAF will buy however AM Brown has said that they will need more. Why? Because a lot of training will occur in the FMS particularly when networked. Why? Because the RAAF plan to operate the F-35A in groups of four. Why? Because they network well along with other networkable assets. Why? Because that is one of the new features of warfare these days. Without a network for SA situational awareness youse are doomed. The US are constantly working to upgrade their networkability particularly now that two stealth aircraft are in the mix they also need stealth comms. The F-35 has MADL and there are ways that the F-22 and F-35 will communicate stealthily in the works then pass that info down the line to be disseminated (in the works also). I'll imagine our RAAF are up on this game also along with the Super Hornets and Growlers. Infrastructure such as new hangars, extending runways and building new support buildings for new aircraft is never cheap. The RAN is building new infrastructure at Nowra just for the new ROMEOs and has already built new stuff for all the new recent helos including the one that never was (seasprite). A funny story exists about all the buildings (probably most since demolished these days) at NAS Nowra. The PDFs show the early days after WWII when it was just a couple of dirt strips on cleared land. I would not recognise the place today after 40 years away. Maintaining and supporting modern aircraft is never going to be cheap. No point having expensive aircraft idle because they lack proper support/spares and all the rest. This post has been edited by Luig on Jul 5 2014, 02:52 PM |
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 5 2014, 02:56 PM
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SRVLs Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landings will not occur on LHDs nor on USN LHAs however it may be successful on the CVFs as required. Here is a video about them.
SRVL F 35B Demo CVF Sim + extras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPWjq23vL0 |
Luig |
Posted: Jul 7 2014, 03:29 AM
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USMC spends some money to support MCAS Beaufort training with F-35Bs: http://www.thestate.com/2014/07/05/3549166...n-arriving.html
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 7 2014, 12:07 PM
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Just in case someone says (Simon?) that the F-35B STOVLie has mucked up the F-35s then copy/paste this little lot. Sadly they will not read the rest of the material from whence came quotes but youse'll did youse best eh. B) Joint Strike Fighter PERSPECTIVES Code One Magazine July 1996 Vol. 11 No. 3 Paul Bevilaqua, Lift-Fan System Inventor
http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/C1_V...449318_7528.pdf (13.8Mb) Genesis of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter 2009 Paul M. Bevilaqua JOURNAL OF AIRCRAFT Vol. 46, No. 6, November–December 2009 2009 WRIGHT BROTHERS LECTURE
http://pdf.aiaa.org/getfile.cfm?urlX=-%3CW...#33;*0%20%20%0A (PDF 7.7Mb) The Influence of Ship Configuration on the Design of the Joint Strike Fighter 26-27 Feb 2002 Mr. Eric S. Ryberg
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA399988 (PDF 1Mb) This post has been edited by Luig on Jul 7 2014, 01:22 PM |
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Nick Thorne |
Posted: Jul 7 2014, 08:25 PM
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The unspoken influence on aircraft mission performance for both the Naval variant and the STOVL variant is that the main "penalty" that these versions suffer from is a reduction in range with hardly any actual aerodynamic performance or payload differences. However, this is well offset against the much shorter distance the aircraft have to travel in order to get on task and return. I would suggest that in most mission scenarios, in terms of time on task and number of sorties a given number of aircraft can perform in a given time (in other words the amount of time on task as a proportion of actual elapsed time), the Naval and STOVL versions would out perform the CTOL version by a significant factor in all real world circumstances except where there happened to be a convenient forward air base, close to the action. Of course, that is exactly what an aircraft carrier is, a convenient forward air base.
But hey, what would I know? The RAAF can do it all from Willamtown, Amberley and Tindall... or maybe not so much. This post has been edited by Nick Thorne on Jul 7 2014, 08:29 PM |
Luig |
Posted: Jul 8 2014, 03:16 AM
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Heheh, Nick. The F-35B has a Key Performance Parameter (KPP) [which MUST be met by the manufacturers] for sortie generation for each F-35 variant. I'll post that info. Not only will the time to target be shorter (because the flat deck with the B has to be closer due to the shorter F-35B range - which by the way is probably not so much short in actual reality - I'll explain later) but the KPP requires more 'sorties generated' by the F-35B. How cool is that? :-) In the graphic below 'surg' = surge and 'sust' = sustained sorties The F-35C in use at moment only by the USN will have at least airborne tanker support back at the ship for landing contingencies. However the C requires more fuel onboard overhead (despite the tanker) to take care of all pre-landing contingencies. This amount of fuel required may vary according to the circumstances (where carrier may be in relation to target/threats - weather and any holdups from deck being foul and whatnots). This amount of fuel required for the C can be nebulous so I'll not try to quantify it - however in comparison to the F-35B the difference can be or will be substantial. Harriers are guaranteed to land - even if no usual spot available they will land in a clear space (or land in an emergency on a nearby suitable spot on another ship etc.) The weather has little influence on the ability of the F-35B to land whereas it is more significant for the F-35C. Yet both will take advantage of JPALS (a new approach technology demonstrated by the automatic carrier landing of the X-47B recently) so that both aircraft will be able to operate in most weather conditions when the flat deck movement is within their respective operating limits. Big CVNs move a great deal in the rolling Pacific swell. There are a nice bunch of videos online about this aspect. PBS Carrier - Landing on a Pitching Deck Pt. 1.mp4 (PACIFIC SWELLS) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU & PBS Carrier - Landing on a Pitching Deck Pt. 2.mp4 (NIGHT TIME!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTVj_ZSwxGE Anyway my point is that with the restrictions on the C, and the less amount of fuel required overhead for a VL by the B, then the range of both could be quite similar. However - like the question: "how long is a piece of string" - it all depends. KPPs can be an artificial way to measure performance and I do not have access to how these KPPs are constructed other than what you see. However it is clear that the 'surge/sustain' sortie rate is going to be recalculated and what that will be in future - again - I have no idea: Three Reports on the F-35: One of Them Informative 02 Apr 2014 Winslow Wheeler
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 10 2014, 04:14 AM
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Now Lads - I kid thee not - would thoust NOT like to see a few of these with this capability alone on our LHDs? Why the RAAFie Chappies can join in with all their Networkable stuff along with the RAN ships and your uncle is bob. The AIR International July 2014 F-35 Special Edition is excellent value and very informative as seen by this quote below. Panoramic Cockpit Display July 2014 David C Isby AIR International F-35 Special Edition
AIR International F-35 Special Edition July 2014 This post has been edited by Luig on Jul 10 2014, 04:17 AM Attached Image ![]() |
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 10 2014, 07:43 AM
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RAW POWER July 2014 Chris Kjelgaard, AIR International F-35 Special Edition
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 10 2014, 02:43 PM
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Some more GREAT Material from the above magazine. I have not read about the two setting STO throttle before - find it in all the woids below.... Jumping Jack Flash July 2014 unknown author AIR International F-35 Special Edition
AIR International F-35 Special Edition July 2014 |
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Luig |
Posted: Jul 16 2014, 06:02 AM
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Great explanation by Wizzer about STOVL Mode for the F-35B with the INCEPTS and STO differences with Ski Jump and VLs: Farnborough Airshow 2014: F-35 Test Pilot Interview 14 Jul 2014
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Grumpy Cobra |
Posted: Jul 17 2014, 01:26 AM
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Don't know how this one slipped under the radar but Gen Bogdan visited Quickstep at Bankstown recently! Did not know he was in the country!
http://www.quickstep.com.au/news/Lt.-Gen.-...p-10-March-2014 Apr 8, 2014 The F-35 Program Executive Officer U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan met today with employees and management of Quickstep Holdings Limited at their manufacturing facility in Bankstown Airport where high-grade carbon-fibre components are produced for the F-35. "I was impressed with Quickstep's manufacturing processes and technology, they appear to be world class," said Lt. Gen. Bogdan. "The technologies I saw have great potential to improve aerodynamic performance and help to keep manufacturing costs down. Quickstep's contributions to the F-35 program are highly valued today and will be for years to come." And speaking of Farnbro slightly off topic I note Bell/Boeing (see http://www.janes.com/article/40720/bell-he...sign-for-jmr-td ) According to Gehler, Bell's team has emphasised cost in its "clean-sheet design" of the Valor. Known for its V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft, which it builds with Boeing, Bell aimed to provide the speed and agility of a titlrotor design at a relatively low price for JMR, Gehler said. "We conducted a lot of activity to reduce cost on this aircraft," he said. "You get great performance with a tiltrotor, but cost is sometimes an issue so we decided to take that into consideration from the moment we began designing." He noted that costs were mainly reduced by dropping weight and increasing reliability. "Every aspect of this aircraft has been looked at from a cost perspective," said Gehler. For example, the company decided to simplify or outright forego design features such as the automatic wing fold on the V-22 that it saw as unnecessary for JMR.[COLOR=red] This post has been edited by Grumpy Cobra on Jul 17 2014, 01:30 AM |
Luig |
Posted: Jul 20 2014, 02:27 PM
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Carrier countdown 30 June 2014 Tim Robinson
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Luig |
Posted: Aug 6 2014, 08:50 AM
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NUSHIP Canberra sails into Sydney Published on Apr 11, 2014 RANmedia
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Dave Masterson |
Posted: Aug 7 2014, 05:54 PM
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Thanks Luig..Good bit of film there. :D
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FlyCookie |
Posted: Aug 16 2014, 08:32 AM
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FYI Canberra is back in the oggin for her second round of sea trials.
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Apparently a few issues with Nuship Canberra on her shake down cruise,..Propeller (Pod)shaft seal leak, shaft vibrations at speed,.... and a hull crack to name a few. All fixable.
All mappable/mapped and preventable for Nuship Adelaide's shake down cruise now in a few years time. Gordy :) |
Luig |
Posted: Aug 19 2014, 03:08 PM
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LHD Juan Carlos I, el gigante español Published on July 17, 2014
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Luig |
Posted: Aug 20 2014, 04:27 AM
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NUSHIP CANBERRA embarks on final trials 18 Aug 2014 BAE
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Grumpy Cobra |
Posted: Aug 22 2014, 08:29 PM
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I would hope they have finally painted the flight deck!
And the betting will be on at Albatross on who will be the first birdie to "trap" on her! :D |
Luig |
Posted: Aug 23 2014, 02:20 AM
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Monitor Coatings to supply U.K. carrier flight deck coatings 22 Aug 2014 MarineLog
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FlyCookie |
Posted: Aug 24 2014, 04:10 AM
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The flight deck has been surfaced and, indeed, been painted. Six helo spots to port, along the centre-line, a la RN/Nato specs. ADF or, more likely, BAE should have some PR photos available soon. On the F35B front, it's worth getting hold the current (i.e. August) issue of Australian Aviation, as there's a long-form piece by Steve George about some of the technicalities of the idea. Not likely to sway any of the naysayers of received anti-STOVL wisdom in Canberra, but highly recommended reading, nonetheless. This post has been edited by FlyCookie on Aug 24 2014, 06:14 AM |
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Luig |
Posted: Aug 29 2014, 07:21 AM
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History of Ski Jump Testing at NAS Patuxent River - soon to be for the UK/Italian F-35B probably (any more Bs?). Single page of this text with graphics of named aircraft may be downloaded here: http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=19372 (200Kb PDF) The Kneeboard Winter 2014 Patuxent River Naval Air Museum Association
http://api.ning.com/files/xEh6B1KdSWQzOLt*...2014reduced.pdf (1Mb) This post has been edited by Luig on Aug 29 2014, 07:24 AM |
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F/A-18 Super Bug |
Posted: Aug 31 2014, 06:14 PM
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Hey he might be the "best man for the job" however the new Captain of our newest, biggest most capable warship ever built is a British born Canadian with a thick accent. That will great at RIMPAC making calls over the radio lol
Tour of Nuship Canberra |
Luig |
Posted: Sep 6 2014, 01:26 PM
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This is the sort of testing the F-35C will undergo whilst the F-35B will have and will have had similar testing for the B capabilities with the SKI JUMP and SRVL yet to come.
WHO Introduces VX-23 HOOK14 This squadron does the fixed wing carrier suitability trials with obvious stress testing of the aircraft in all kinds of odd landing situations to try to mimic on land what may happen out at sea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUmNUCm29Y |
Brendan Cowan |
Posted: Sep 6 2014, 02:10 PM
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Very funny Phil!
:D BC |
Luig |
Posted: Sep 6 2014, 03:44 PM
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Here is another one from same source. If you are interested in USN NavAv then the TAILHOOK 2014 is on this week end with the streaming videos showing parts of the event (panels of bigwigs mostly talking about NavAv) here:
http://new.livestream.com/wab/tailhook Shake Rattle & Roll VX-23 Hook14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEGhrsVmoR0 |
Luig |
Posted: Sep 10 2014, 06:58 PM
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Stepping-Stones Tony Osborne AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY / SEPTEMBER 8, 2014
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FlyCookie |
Posted: Sep 12 2014, 06:12 AM
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Just to get back to Australia for a moment........the Canberra is due to handed over to the RAN on September 25, and commissioned at Garden Island on November 28.
Recent sea trials went well. |
F/A-18 Super Bug |
Posted: Sep 13 2014, 02:51 PM
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I hope they show us some pictures of the rudder tests like the US Navy does with their Aircraft Carriers: (IMG:http://www.web-l.com/things-you-wont-see-on-cnn/aircraft-carrier-tips-as-it-makes-sharp-turn.jpg) |
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FlyCookie |
Posted: Sep 19 2014, 02:58 AM
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First helo deck trials scheduled for next March.
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Grumpy Cobra |
Posted: Sep 20 2014, 11:51 PM
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"The F-35B should be operated by the Airforce" argument is complete bollocks! The Airforce does not know how to operate from boats and never will. 35 for 805 I say! Why "Crabs" should not operate from boats :D see below picture - says it all really! 35 for 805 - go on repeat it - you know you like it! (IMG:http://aquellasarmasdeguerra.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/harrier-accidente-malvinas-1982.jpg) This post has been edited by Grumpy Cobra on Sep 20 2014, 11:52 PM |
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Luig |
Posted: Sep 21 2014, 03:18 AM
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You can be as grumpy as you wish. B) What is different is that there is no fixed wing fleet air arm whatsoever these days. Generating one for the F-35B (but first getting some) in this situation is probably a step too much, IMHO.
Perhaps what is not well understood is that the F-35B by every account is easy to VL. Overall the F-35s are easy to fly to enable pilots to use all the fused sensor information provided to carry out their mission. I would suggest that a VL on a flat deck is no big deal (as has been claimed by those who have never done that before). IF the RAAF have a role for their F-35Bs ashore most of the time then going onboard as required will be no big deal either. I would imagine that the RAAF may have even more bare base conops in store for their Bs so that shifting to a comfy flat deck would be sheer looxury. In this manner the operation and maintenance for the Bs is on the RAAF and it will be not much different to their A maintenance. Hoorah for commonality. Having been trained by the RAAF aeons ago now, in a time (late 1960s) when they seemed to be very anti Fleet Air Arm (not just the boggies) when we had a viable fixed wing component then having F-35Bs in the FAA is a no brainer. I have been told that 'jointness and co-operation' is the order of the day these days in our modern ADF. Good oh. Taking that cue... going afloat every now and then for practice; and perhaps for real, should be easy-peasy for those daring young men in their flying machines - and doable. One picture says nothing in my deck landing experience. Stuff happens. For sure ensure that RAN personnel are embedded in the RAAF F-35B operational squadron (no need for a training B squadron, let them learn the way of the B after first doing their training on the A). The RAN aircrew/maintainer component can help disseminate the sea lore required and that should be no big deal. The more low key this all is makes it all that much more doable. Make a song and dance unnecessarily and the RAAF chaps will not bite the bullet. Politicians may make them however. Best if the RAAF gets there through there own interest in providing fleet defence for all concerned. I'm thinking this aspect has motivated the PM and MinDef interest in same. (IMG:http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Skyhawk-N13-155052/N13_155052_871.sized.jpg) (IMG:http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Skyhawk-N13-154906/PT_N13_154906c.sized.jpg) This post has been edited by Luig on Sep 21 2014, 03:48 AM |
Luig |
Posted: Sep 22 2014, 07:57 AM
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Plan Jericho - Introducing 5th Generation Capability July 2014 ADM Magazine Nigel Pittaway
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Grumpy Cobra |
Posted: Sep 22 2014, 07:30 PM
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Nothing remarkable there - ill informed people with no leadership or vision, that think history is the last 24 hours, keep propagating the no fixed wing argument for Navy - product of the last 30 years, nothing but no fixed wing... nothing but.
Reporters that don't know any better just jump on the band wagon (I did not see one article from them advocating F-35B prior to the recent hoopla) - while I credit you with advocating F-35B for Australia along with the rest of the boys whom used to write on OTR for many years, what is remarkable is that an ex Navy fixed wing jock should advocate a continuation of the "No fixed wing for Navy" status quo... :o 35 For 805! Go on sing it! :P This post has been edited by Grumpy Cobra on Sep 22 2014, 07:35 PM |
Aardvark |
Posted: Sep 22 2014, 09:03 PM
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Sometimes decisions have to be made with the head not the heart!
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Luig |
Posted: Sep 23 2014, 06:05 AM
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Hmmm.... I would suggest what is doable - for now - preparing for the near future (next decade?). Unless WWIII starts in the next few hours there will be no carrier(s) for any RAN FAA Fixed Wing aircraft to operate from. So there is that. What we have almost now are 1 (soon two) LHDs which will have the capacity from time to time to embark some F-35Bs - BUT NOT AS THE MAIN PURPOSE of the function of said LHDs however. These LHDs have a role already. Get that sorted and prepare for some F-35Bs in the second tranche in the never never. I'm no expert on the future though. We'll see. And as for the 'no one has talked about F-35Bs on LHDs in the past' that is just false. The PDF online is not up to date however it does have some of that 'in the past - past my arse' at least stuff. Recently a new 4.4GB PDF is online about the history of RAN Fixed Wing also includes the LHD and F-35A/B stuff relevant. Folder: LHDs & F-35Bs + Harriers Info ONLY 22 June 2014 Excerpts File: LHDs & F-35Bs + Harriers Info ONLY 22 June 2014 Excerpts.PDF (270Mb) This 'editorial' is no longer online so you will have to download the PDF to read it. Shooting down fighter myths MIKE GILLIGAN 10 Jan 2008
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/opini...px?storypage=0# I'm no Oz crab hater however I well recall what it was like back in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I'll never forgive - nor forget the crabs of that era. This post has been edited by Luig on Sep 23 2014, 06:33 AM |
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Posted: Sep 27 2014, 09:13 AM
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General info about QE simulator with take off stats (from the Jump De Sky) at end [which gives a clue for any F-35B OPs off of (Americanism) our LHDs]. Ship Shape F-35/QEC simulator SEPTEMBER 2014 AEROSPACETESTINGINTERNATIONAL.COM; PAUL E EDEN
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Posted: Sep 30 2014, 10:13 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted here before, but it is an interesting read:
LHD and STOVL: an engineer’s view |
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Steve wrote an excellent overview of carrier aviation some years back also:
The Particular Mechanics of Carrier Aviation by Steve George 2012 http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/wp-content...ofcaropsPTT.pdf (4.6Mb) OR http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/2012/03/ho...perations-work/ http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/cvf/ This post has been edited by Luig on Oct 1 2014, 04:35 AM |
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Steve's words accord with the current engineering thinking with our LHD's. The prophets of gloom and disaster will always stir up emotional clap-trap. Calm rational thinking is what is needed.
The F-35B/LHD combo with two ships give Australia a big range of options indeed. The next challenge that is being looked at is the Amtrak requirements. Taking armour ashore in a barge will not always work [one at a time too]... |
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Two carriers take shape at Rosyth 01 Oct 2014 David Downs, ACA engineering director
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Posted: Oct 3 2014, 08:33 AM
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A clear sign from the "Gods" that NAVY may end up with F-35B, as the pictures show the Australian roundel on the wing - as we all know Crab Hornets and Mirages were sans the roundel over wing whereas NAVY Skyhawks were proud to display the "Rat" over wing and any other said part of the anatomy of the scooter - so this is clear evidence that NAVY is on the books - in fact rumour has it that these OCU puppies are testing the position and size of the "roundel" for our NAVY admirals before they commit to buy F-35B over lunch :D :P :lol:
pic from Australian Aviation (IMG:http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/CarlRichards-09292014-F-35A-AU-01-FirstFlight-129.jpg) This post has been edited by Grumpy Cobra on Oct 3 2014, 08:34 AM |
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Posted: Oct 3 2014, 12:21 PM
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even painted "battleship grey"... :ph34r:
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Interesting FACTOID in this story about the F-35B heat - often quoted as being 1,700 degrees F (which I always thought was the afterburner signature - the F-35B is NOT in A/B during a VL - but anyway...). We have some clues about LHD mods - if required - so not otherwise relevant but context is worthwhile. Shipshape Amphibious ship upgrades vital to JSF and MV-22 deployments 13 OCT 2014 Michael Fahey AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY; DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY INTERNATIONAL
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So it looks like we have decided or have no say on what colour our new F-35As "battleship grey" or nearly black come off the production line... Maybe Luig can comment on this having been up in the clouds so is it harder to see the light grey of our current types of Hornets compared to Russian Flankers painted in a sky blue and white camouflage bleow? (IMG:http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Super-Hornet-A44-202/A44_202_20100318raaf8540677_0008_lo.jpg) Compared to what other nations do with their air superiority fighters like the Sukhoi Su-27: (IMG:http://www.prideaircraft.com/images/Su27/Flanker16800T-c.jpg) or (IMG:http://img.mota.ru/upload/wallpapers/2009/07/15/07/03/2943/avia_150-preview.jpg)
So we've been discussing for months this year that any LHD (whether US, UK or even us) would need a certain type of Thermion coating for the F-35B exhaust on a VL. Cheers. This post has been edited by F/A-18 Super Bug on Oct 14 2014, 12:56 PM |
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NUSHIP Canberra trials lately have gone well with ship likely to handed to RAN soonish. Meanwhile training for deck crew takes place at NAS Nowra on DUMMY DECK shown in VIDEO (and in a large simulator building in Sydney - not shown). SEARCH for more videos using 'NUSHIP' at main page URL below.
PHOTO: http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz349/o...zps9d46766c.jpg (IMG:http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz349/ontheroger/nowra_dummydeck_1_zps9d46766c.jpg) This post has been edited by Luig on Oct 16 2014, 04:03 PM |
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Posted: Nov 6 2014, 01:34 PM
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We oughtta name this forum 'Kotter' so we can say 'Welcome back Kotter'. But anyway.... old news I guess that the F-35Cs X 2 have successfully arrested and catapulted on at least the last Mon/Tues this week and meanwhile....
A 2015 White Paper submission Oct 2014 PDF is here. Written by a gang led by Dave Baddams, ex-A4G & SHAR CO and Oz Hawk Production Test Pilot: http://www.defence.gov.au/Whitepaper/docs/082-Baddams.pdf (126Kb) I'll attach it. And it woiked! GOOD ONE! :-) This post has been edited by Luig on Nov 6 2014, 01:35 PM Attached File ( Number of downloads: 971 ) ![]() |
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Some stats on the carrier testing for the F-35C so far.... F-35C Initial At-Sea Testing Progressing Aboard USS Nimitz 08 Nov 2014 USN PR
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