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Martin Edwards |
Posted: Apr 15 2014, 11:12 AM
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FA-18F Super Hornet (A44) ![]() Group: ADF Serials Admin Posts: 2,206 Member No.: 27 Joined: 25-June 05 ![]() |
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Hello, Many sources seem to quote confusing figures for the RAN UH-1B / C? Some quote N9-3101 / 3104 as being "Charlie" variants where others quote them as "Bravos", any ideas? Was there ever a Charlie model delivered to the RAN as N9-472 (c/n: 1472)? Thanks Simon D. Beck |
Brendan Cowan |
Posted: Apr 15 2014, 11:23 AM
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Messageboard Co-ordinator ![]() Group: ADF Serials Admin Posts: 2,458 Member No.: 48 Joined: 20-September 05 ![]() |
Hi All,
The only reference that I have ever seen to a "N9-472" is at : http://www.helis.com/database/cn/12294/ This site is run by Jorge Gazzola - who usually gets things pretty right - but just like us, runs a volunteer site with many contributors and errors can occur. We often exchange information with each other. I'll drop him a line and see if he can add any further information about this entry. I don't have any further information about "N9-472" - I suspect that it's an error but happy to be proven wrong! Cheers Brendan |
batman |
Posted: Apr 15 2014, 07:57 PM
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Lockheed Hercules (A97) ![]() Group: Members Posts: 381 Member No.: 3,524 Joined: 7-April 10 ![]() |
Martin, Brendan
I must stick my hand up for spreading the "RAN UH-1C" myth. I put this out in my article in Aust Avn, Apr 1996, on the RAN Iroquois. I had taken as my source "US Mil A/c Designations and Serials", Midland Counties Pubs, 1979 pg.125. Under "UH-1C" are listed 5 a/c for RAN, I quote" "64-17621 to 64-17623 c/n 3101 to 3103, and 65-12772 c/n 1472 (!!), and, I know you want more.. 65-12846 c/n 3104. To RAN as N9-101, 102, 103, 472, 104." What, you ask, five?? Well lots of errors here. I cannot address them in the style that Gordy might, but I will try. There were not 5, but only 4, as we all know. Serials were not as advertised above, but used the full c/n after the naval N9- prefix, i.e. N9-3101, N9-3102, N9-3103, and N9-3104. The spurious one, as rightfully queried by via Martin, is I think, just that, a spurious confusion with the RAN order, quoted in this source. I had discounted it in my 1996 article, as it never appeared in Aust. For interest, part of the US Army UH-1C orders in c/n order were: 65-12738 to 65-12744 c/n 1465 to 1471 65-12772 c/n 1472 66-491 to 66-745 c/n 1473 to 1727 I would say that "1472" went to US Army, not to Australia. RAN Hueys were UH-1Bs, and not UH-1Cs, as per the source, which quotes "UH-1C late production UH-IB but modified rotor and increased fuel capacity." Someone credible (might have been Luig) confirmed they were all known as "Bravos", and someone checked the construction plate in the FAA Museum I think, and that confirmed "UH-1B". So I used only one reference which gave them as UH-IC, and the myth has continued. All seven maritime Hueys (the 3 earlier 881/883, and these 4) were the UH-1B variant. Apologies |
Brendan Cowan |
Posted: Apr 16 2014, 09:29 AM
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Messageboard Co-ordinator ![]() Group: ADF Serials Admin Posts: 2,458 Member No.: 48 Joined: 20-September 05 ![]() |
Thanks Batman,
That makes things a lot clearer. So in summary: - The RAN operated only the 7 UH-1B airframes (yes they are all Bravos'); and - c/n: 1472 never became N9-472 or served with the RAN Thanks for clearing this up (again)! The other RAN Huey list that I would like to compile one day would be an inventory of the RANHFV/EMU/135th Assault Helicopter Company Hueys! Thanks to everyone who chipped in with information on this topic. Cheers Brendan |
Brendan Cowan |
Posted: Apr 16 2014, 10:17 AM
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Messageboard Co-ordinator ![]() Group: ADF Serials Admin Posts: 2,458 Member No.: 48 Joined: 20-September 05 ![]() |
STOP PRESS!
One of our good friends at Nowra is checking out the airframes and paperwork at held there which might just reveal some interesting developments - this isn't over folks! Cheers Brendan |
Luig |
Posted: Apr 16 2014, 12:29 PM
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FA-18F Super Hornet (A44) ![]() Group: ADF Serials Team Posts: 2,011 Member No.: 80 Joined: 8-March 06 ![]() |
There was or used to be a 135th Company website - perhaps they would be helpful for your long list? I wonder if the US Army kept good records in this respect? A lot of records have been misplaced/lost/burnt/destroyed you name it - probably pilot logbooks would be more helpful but then you would have to contact a bunch of RAN pilots, and they may not have kept adequate details (just side numbers or whatever method used).
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