Mrh-90 Taipan Down Off Hamilton Island

[GregHyde]

Four crew of Australian Army chopper missing after crash in Queensland's Whitsundays amid joint military exercise with US Marines[B]

There are serious concerns for four crew members of an Australian Army helicopter missing after the chopper crashed into the ocean off the coast of north Queensland late last night.


Defence Minister Richard Marles said the MRH90 helicopter, known as a Taipan, was engaging in a two-helicopter training mission and had four crew aboard when it crashed about 10:30pm.
Mr Marles and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese released a joint statement saying their thoughts were with the loved ones of the missing.

"Sadly, the four aircrew who were on board are yet to be found," the statement said.
The defence department confirmed the chopper crashed in waters near Lindeman Island, south of Hamilton Island.
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The aircraft was participating in a night-time training activity as part of Exercise Talisman Sabre 2023 when it was reported missing late Friday night," the statement said.
"Military and civilian search and rescue aircraft and watercraft are currently conducting search and rescue operations at the incident site."

The ABC understands that the helicopter had dropped off soldiers from 2nd Commando Regiment shortly before the accident.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-29/qld-...ndays/102663620

[Shep]

Tragic loss of the crew.

Luckily the pax had already deplaned.

Airframe was 040.

Edit: added image.

This post has been edited by Shep on Jul 31 2023, 10:16 AM

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[Brenden S]

Have they managed to recover the rest of the helicopter and crew yet? I have heard nothing over the past few days.

[Shep]

The most recent (according to the defence.gov.au site) was on Thursday 3rd August.

https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news...-sabre-incident

I don't think the investigation relative to the earlier ditching (March) has been completed yet so this one'll be a long way off yet.

[Brenden S]

Thanks Shep, I will post below off that site for future reference.

Thursday, 3, August, 2023 - 16:30 PM
Transcript of media update in Brisbane

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Lieutenant General Greg Bilton. I'm the Chief of Joint Operations. I would like to update you on the recovery operations for the MRH-90 Taipan helicopter which impacted waters near Lindeman Island on Friday, the 28th of July. Ongoing search and recovery operations have recovered a range of aircraft debris and major sections of the fuselage. This has included searches above and below the water surface.

I can now advise that yesterday afternoon, Wednesday the 2 August HMAS Huon’s remotely operated underwater vehicle located a further debris field, including parts of the cockpit of the helicopter. The debris field is consistent with a catastrophic high impact. Sadly, I can confirm unidentified human remains have also been observed in this location by the remotely operated underwater vehicle. Due to the nature of the debris field, positive identification of the remains is unlikely to occur until we recover more of the wreckage.

Army has spoken with the families of the missing soldiers and is providing them with support. We will continue to support the families and other families who have reached out over the coming days and weeks, and as their needs change. In the next 24 hours, HMAS Adelaide will hand over to ADV Reliant, which enables us to incorporate more specific rescue equipment on that vessel. While we continue with the recovery as best we can, poor weather conditions have continued to impact our search efforts. The weather is expected to remain challenging until mid-next week.

We thank the many emergency service personnel, soldiers, sailors and aviators from our international defence partners, civilian agencies and members of the local community for their assistance. Defence is unable to provide further details of the recovery operation or ongoing investigation at this time. Thank you. I will now take questions.

JOURNALIST: Must have been a challenging operation. As you said, the weather has been poor, but attribute to the determination of your personnel to try to resolve this as soon as possible.

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Yes, the conditions have been quite difficult both underwater and above the surface. The Whitsundays is renowned for its significant currents, so the team are working through those and as you can see, we are making progress, but it is methodical.

​JOURNALIST: How deep down was that cockpit located underneath the sea?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Approximately 40 metres below the surface.

JOURNALIST: And what sort of logistical challenge does it present to then sort of drag that main airframe back up?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Yeah. Hence, ADV Reliant is a vessel that incorporates more modern equipment that helps us to do that sort of recovery operation. But it will still be a difficult operation at 40 metres of depth.

JOURNALIST: So, how crucial is it to recover as much of the wreckage as possible in terms of forensic examination of the circumstances around the mishap?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: So, it is important to collect as much of the debris as we can so we can fully understand how this incident occurred.

JOURNALIST: Have divers already been in the water and how many would be involved in support of ADV Reliant for that lift?

GREG BILTON: Yes. So, there's a number of dive teams that have been in the area actually since Friday. So, the exercise incorporated some divers. I don't have an exact figure of divers there, but what I can tell you is I have enough divers in that location to make sure we can continue the mission and sustain it for the coming days and weeks.

JOURNALIST: Without at all pre-empting the outcome of the investigation, which obviously is a long way off, are you satisfied with the extent to which evidence has been gathered so far, given the circumstances?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: I am, but you're also best to ask the Queensland Police Service because everything is handed over to the Queensland Police Service as they will bring it together so the relevant agencies can undertake the investigation. My understanding at this stage is the Queensland Police Service is happy with the custody of the debris that's been collected.

JOURNALIST: With the remaining MRH-90 fleet grounded, what plans are in place to support the special operations, given that was excused?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Yes. So, we're working options at the moment on what alternatives might be available. Of course, we have to wait until investigation outcomes are made before we can make a decision about the MRH-90. So, we are just working solutions. We've checked with the civil authorities who we would normally support and they are comfortable at this stage with alternate plans we have in place.

​JOURNALIST: It's not as easy as fast-tracking the Blackhawk. So, given that's the case, what would that process look like to get that online? How many 'Mike' Model Blackhawks are in Australia at the moment and how many pilots are certified to fly?

GREG BILTON: So, as I said, we're still working through the plan on how we'll work that capability and the critical roles that those helicopters have played for delivering capability for contingencies. I don't have a specific answer for you yet.

JOURNALIST: As part of what's been recovered, the data recording equipment, was that on board? Has that been identified?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Are you talking about the black box?

JOURNALIST: Correct.

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: At this stage, we have not found that.

JOURNALIST: Was anything sent out from before the impact that could help any flight data that was relayed in real time?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: No, it was a normal flight in a group of four aircraft flying at the time. And at this stage, all communications were normal before the aircraft impacted the water.

JOURNALIST: How likely is it that that won't be found? Is it likely that once you can get closer, get more machinery et cetera, in there, you can find it?

GREG BILTON: No. It's a difficult task, but we will do our absolute best to find it. And as you know, the black box is critical to helping us to understand what's actually taken place.

JOURNALIST: There's, obviously, a default amount of bravery for people to sign up for service, but all the same, how are the colleagues of the deceased? Apart from the obvious descriptions of the families, but how are their colleagues coping? What arrangements are in place to assist with the way in which they're dealing with this?

LIEUTENANT GENERAL BILTON: Look, I'm devastated, and I'm distanced from the actual gentlemen that have been lost, but I can assure you that in the units, it is having a significant impact on them. We're just making sure that we provide the sort of psychological support and the, I guess, the support for their well-being that's necessary. The 6th Aviation Regiment has come together. I'm confident their commanders are working hard to work through the challenges that they confront in losing their mates.

[Shep]

A blog called Central Queensland Plane Spotting has an entry here:

https://cqplanespotting.blogspot.com/2023/0...australian.html

It has a number of images of the incident aircraft (and several others) taken at Gladstone on 24JUL23.

[SpazSinbad]

Interim report reveals critical details in fatal MRH-90 helicopter crash
19 Aug 2024 by alert5
https://alert5.com/2024/08/19/interim-repor...sh/#more-100097
"...Investigators have effectively ruled out mechanical, engine, or airframe faults, instead focusing on the possibility of sudden and catastrophic pilot disorientation. Of particular concern are the TopOwl helmet-mounted navigation visors, which had been flagged in a 2019 Defence safety report as posing “a substantial risk of multiple deaths” due to ambiguous and inaccurate readings when pilots looked left or right. Testimony from another pilot in the formation corroborates these concerns, describing difficulties in discerning the horizon and unreliable symbology readings from the TopOwl system during the ill-fated flight....

...The selective briefing of the DFSB interim report has sparked controversy within the ongoing inquiry, with legal representatives expressing frustration over unequal access to critical information. As the investigation continues, the focus remains on understanding the complex interplay of factors that led to this tragic loss of life and identifying measures to prevent similar incidents in the future."
Link in above article below does not work for me:
https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/secret-...-38344d556a13--

[Shep]

Thanks for posting this (and the other spotlight links in the other areas), Spaz.

If the substance of that (evidently leaked) interim report is correct, then that is yet another example of known issues being allowed to persist without any apparent remedy or modification to mitigate the known/stated risks - known for a period of many years.

In a reasonable world those things would result in criminal charges being leveled at those responsible.

Very sad and unnecessary.

[Brenden S]

It is truly shocking to see the defence force proceed with known defects in systems that are used. Why on earth do they do it for especially in non war times.