Kiowa Disposals Thread, Merged thread: Avalon and Bandiana

[richardavn]

Twenty two helicopters were put up for auction while the National Vietnam Veterans Museum had there all over dark green exhibit A17-007 on display outside their tent.
Alongside this was a single frame up for auction:

A17-003 Lot 16

A single frame was also in the Exhibition Hall (Hall 3) closest to the runway side

A17-026 Lot 1

On the base, a group of six were displayed along with PC-9/A A23-004 (Lot 25) on its wheels while A23-059 (Lot 28) was on a jig with wings off. These six were later relocated to the northern hangar / compound were another thirteen were stored.

The six were:

A17-011 Lot 5
A17-015 Lot 2
A17-016 Lot 6
A17-028 Lot 4
A17-046 Lot 7
A17-047 Lot 3

There were originally thirteen frames in a compound outside the northern most hangar, the group of six were added later, then all were relocated inside one of the hangars:

A17-004 Lot 21
A17-017 Lot 18
A17-018 Lot 13
A17-029 Lot 9
A17-031 Lot 12
A17-032 Lot 8
A17-036 Lot 11
A17-037 Lot 17
A17-038 Lot 20
A17-039 Lot 19
A17-040 Lot 10
A17-049 Lot 14 Data plate missing but had radio call plate
A17-051 Lot 15

Finally, a single Kiowa was located in the northern hangar with all the bits and pieces etc

A17-044 Lot 22

All radio callsign plates still on dash and ALL Data plates were checked.

Prices noted on the auction website a couple of days before closing were approximately between $8,000 and $50,000.

Similarly with PC-9/A disposals.

Already mentioned A23-004 and A23-059

A23-066 (Lot 27) and A23-067 (Lot 29) were stored in the main auction hangar with wings off in purpose built jigs while A23-043 (Lot 26) was on its wheels in the compound containing the thirteen Kiowas, bid prices noted were up around $20,000 to $50,000 odd and were basically all gutted shells, no seats no instrumentation etc so what peeps are/were planning to do with is anyones guess, engines would likely be farnacled.

If anyone followed the auction and got more updated bid prices I would appreciate these be passed on.

Cheers

Richard Siudak
Perth, Western Australia

This post has been edited by Martin Edwards on Apr 4 2019, 03:15 PM

[Martin Edwards]

Richard I have all the final Kiowa bids recorded.
Give me a day or two to arrange them in some order and I will post them here
In the meantime the PC-9 results are in the RAAF section;

[richardavn]

Brilliant Martin!

I wonder how the end user certificate will read to ensure these are not found strafing some village in Africa.

A mate in the know tells me that these PC-9/A frames were likely the worst of the worst and could simply have been acquired for the PT-6 engines that could be overhauled and re-used in something else. He says that once the final auction on this type is made there could be some much better frames with some bargain prices perhaps.

Looking forward to the Kiowa final prices, very well done for getting them.

Kind Regards

Richard

[Martin Edwards]

My pleasure Richard
The high bidder on all the PC-9s gives their address as Sandton Gauteng, an area within Johannesburg.
They also placed loosing bids on the airworthy Kiowas
It was a bit much to keep an eye on the other auctions going off at the same time but an interesting pick was an unserviceable Kiowa engine that went for over $107,519

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[Martin Edwards]

A17-003 Lot 16 $29,009 BA O'Connell NSW

A17-004 Lot 21 $111,009 eq Victoriaville Canada

A17-011 Lot 5 $160,109 JP Launceston TAS

A17-015 Lot 2 $210,409 rt Broome WA

A17-016 Lot 6 $210,009 EJ Hillston NSW

A17-017 Lot 18 $28,509 JS Currumbin Waters QLD

A17-018 Lot 13 $95,209 BB Kelvin Grove QLD

A17-026 Lot 1 $250,209 AF Smithfield QLD

A17-028 Lot 4 $225,609 cm Malvern VIC

A17-029 Lot 9 $107,109 is Kellyville NSW

A17-031 Lot 12 $109,709 JP Launceston TAS

A17-032 Lot 8 $97,409 SO Horsley Park NSW

A17-036 Lot 11 $100,709 SO Horsley Park NSW

A17-037 Lot 17 $27,209 MG Victoria Park WA

A17-038 Lot 20 $95,309 DD Pascoe Vale VIC

A17-039 Lot 19 $89,309 rh Waroona WA

A17-040 Lot 10 $96,509 DD Pascoe Vale VIC

A17-044 Lot 22 $38,209 JM Cooroy QLD

A17-046 Lot 7 $300,009 AF Smithfield QLD

A17-047 Lot 3 $189,109 JP Tyabb VIC

A17-049 Lot 14 $78,309 dd St Andrews Beach VIC

A17-051 Lot 15 $80,809 eq Victoriaville Canada

[richardavn]

Thank you very much Martin for posting this disposition list.

Some interesting new homes.

A well known South Australian identity was looking at them and had his chief engineer fly over to check. A heap of Kiowa spares etc were up for offer too but he did not have a successful bid to secure any.

Some of them had served as GIFs so were never likely to fly again.

Ties up an historic end to what was a good run in ADF service.

Ciao

Richard

[Martin Edwards]

You are most welcome Richard.
I also have details of airframe hours, time since o/h etc which I will add to the Kiowa page
It's a pity that all the auctions were happening at once because I would of liked to have recorded how much the spares sold for.
Too much for this little black duck I am afraid.

[richardavn]

Yes Martin,
Once again many thanks for your diligence in securing this invaluable information, a media colleague contacted the auction house long prior to the auction to get sales results but has hit a frosty silence.
Met up with a mate in the huge hangar for an inspection (I had a lazy couple of hundred bucks in my wallet - was well priced out) with all the lots laid out. He said some of the green boxes containing gear were worth much more than their contents.
Would have been a bit of a clusterf&*k with everyone turning up to collect their gear over a 72 hour pickup period. I spoke to another mate who used to work on PC-9s who said when the final ones are withdrawn around late June there will be some better models up for grabs so will be interested to see where they land up and how much.
Hopefully I am still around (I have advanced stage four terminal cancer - all good at the moment ) to follow the auction to assist you and perhaps others to record the final outcome.
I did speak with a senior RAAFie who said that the Hornets to Canada had not been finalised as this would be done over the next couple of years or so but he intimated that the twenty odd would go to Canada, another twenty odd would land up as gate guard / museum pieces while the remaining 20 or so would likely be cut up for scrap.
Seems the PC-9s will see several go to Wagga, 006 is likely to get its Chief of Air Force colours back and land up in Canberra while 001 will go to Point Cook. I also hear that one of the FAC birds will join the Fighterworld collection. Some interesting times ahead to keep abreast of. Little birdie tells me that nothing will be retained for Pearce so maybe East Sale might miss out too.
Cheers
Richard

This post has been edited by richardavn on Mar 14 2019, 09:53 PM

[richardavn]

Seemingly two more Kiowas are up for auction by the same mob that auctioned off the 22 at Avalon.
A bit too far for me to check out from Perth so if any kind souls nearby to Bandiana can follow through and advise the group it would be much appreciated.
Ciao
Richard Siudak

The email I received reads in part:

Did you miss out on a helicopter or two in our last aviation auction? We've got news for you - this month we have two Bell 206B-1 (Kiowa) helicopters available for auction, plus:

Kiowa Parts (hubs, blades, jacks, airframe & electrical components
Scout Helicopter Gearbox
Squirrel Parts
Ultra Light Aircraft
Aircraft Vertical Stabiliser
Don't miss out, auction starts Thursday 4th of April - inspection details below.
AUCTION DATES AND LOCATION

AUCTION LIVE
APRIL 4TH - APRIL 10TH

INSPECTION
FRIDAY 5TH & SATURDAY 6TH APRIL
BETWEEN 9:00AM - 4.00PM

GAZA RIDGE NORTH BARRACKS, MURRAY VALLEY HIGHWAY (B400) , BANDIANA, VIC, 3694

[Martin Edwards]

We will find out exactly which they are tomorrow (although there are three seen in the Grays photo)

https://www.graysonline.com/sale/3015556/mi...-parts?spr=true

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[Martin Edwards]

The first three Kiowa have shown up on the civil register

VH-NKH
Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model:B/A 206B-1
Serial:44526
Holder/Operator:NAUTILUS AVIATION PTY LTD

VH-XKH
Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model:B/A 206B-1
Serial:44547
Holder/Operator:MOUNT GALLIPOLI PTY. LTD.

VH-ZDI
Manufacturer:COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model:B/A 206B-1
Serial:44546
Holder/Operator:NAUTILUS AVIATION PTY LTD

Thanks Brenden Scott

[Martin Edwards]

The two offered for sale at Bandiana are A17-032
and A17-036
Relisted from the Avalon auction

[richardavn]

Another auctioned off Kiowa has been added to the VH- register with the former A17-015 msn 44515 being allocated VH-NPY.
Ciao
Richard Siudak

PS Martin E can you please pm me offline as I have photographs of all the Kiowas at Avalon to send that can be added to the images page - ta

[Martin Edwards]

The new owners make it hard when they don't use the same presentation of the model
The first three were shown as B/A 206B-1.
This one as B A 206B-1 so it doesn't show in same search results. I will have to work on a better search criteria.

NPY
Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model: B A 206B-1
Serial number: 44515
No of engines: 1
Aircraft first registered in Australia: 1 April 2019
Year of manufacture: 1973
Registration holder: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD PO Box 950 BROOME WA 6725 Australia
Registration holder commencement date: 1 April 2019
Registered operator: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD PO Box 950 BROOME WA 6725 Australia
Registered operator commencement date: 1 April 2019

[richardavn]

Missed the first Kiowa, internet problems over here (almost as slow as dial-up), A17-036 had 405 bids for $116,909 but will likely have buyers premium of 9% plus the GST added, bumping it up a bit.

Richard Siudak

[Martin Edwards]

A17-032 went for $126,109

[Brenden S]

Reg: VH-NPY
Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Type: B A 206B-1
CN: 44515
Owner: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD
Address: PO Box 950, BROOME, WA, 6725, Australia
Operator: WEST COAST SEAPLANES PTY LTD
Address: PO Box 950, BROOME, WA, 6725, Australia
Date Reg: 01 April 2019

[Martin Edwards]

Added images from the Grays Online Auction held during the 2019 Avalon Airshow
(thanks to Richard Siudak)
Kiowa A17-003, 004, 011, 015, 016, 017, 018, 026, 028, 029, 031, 032, 036, 037, 038, 039, 040, 044, 046, 047, 049, 051

It is interesting to note that the two that were auctioned a second time at Bandiana fetched greater prices than they did at the first Avalon auction.
A17-032 went for $126,109 (Originally $97,409)
A17-036 went for $116,909 (Originally $100,709)

[Martin Edwards]

Another of the higher priced Kiowas ($225,609) has appeared on the CASA register
A17-028 is now registered VH-LTL
Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model: B/A 206B-1
Serial number: 44528
No of engines: 1
Aircraft first registered in Australia: 9 April 2019
Year of manufacture: 1974
Registration holder: COMBO INTERNATIONAL CO. PTY LTD 10 Mountview Rd MALVERN VIC 3144 Australia
Registration holder commencement date: 9 April 2019
Registered operator: COMBO INTERNATIONAL CO. PTY LTD 10 Mountview Rd MALVERN VIC 3144 Australia
Registered operator commencement date: 9 April 2019

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[Martin Edwards]

Kiowa A17-016
Wagga
17th April 2019
Photo Robert Myers

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[Brenden S]

Reg: VH-IKH
Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Type: B/A 206B-1
CN: 44529
Owner: SMART, Ian Jeffery
KELLYVILLE, NSW, 2155, Australia

[Martin Edwards]

A17-031 now VH-JJP
Manufacturer: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model: B/A 206B-1
Serial number: 44531
No of engines: 1
Aircraft first registered in Australia: 24 April 2019
Year of manufacture: 1975
Registration holder: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD PO Box 395 KINGS MEADOWS TAS 7249 Australia
Registration holder commencement date: 24 April 2019
Registered operator: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD PO Box 395 KINGS MEADOWS TAS 7249 Australia
Registered operator commencement date: 24 April 2019

This may of been the pick of the crop having sat inside displayed at Oakey museum for the last 12 years


I remember VH-JJP as an ex-Ansett Junior Jumbo (BAe 146)

The JP is this and A17-011 (VH-VJP) will be Joe Pentridge.
He shows on the ABN register as "Helicopter Tours Tasmania" so that gives an indication of their future use.

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[richardavn]

Yet another ex Army Kiowa A17-011 escapes onto the Aussie Civil Register:

Reg: VH-VJP
Manu: BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON INC.
Type: 206B-1
CN: 44511
Owner: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD
Address: PO Box 395, KINGS MEADOWS, TAS, 7249, Australia
Operator: PENTRIDGE PTY LTD
Address: PO Box 395, KINGS MEADOWS, TAS, 7249, Australia
Date Reg: 24 April 2019

Fantastic to see these frames live on, going through my Avalon log, two of the former Air Force / Army /Navy Squirrels were recorded, unfortunately I did not take shots - doh!

Cheers
Richard Siudak

This post has been edited by richardavn on Apr 30 2019, 08:34 PM

[Brenden S]

Martin and Richard, you two boys are quick on the register updates.

[richardavn]

Yes Brenden, have a mate that emails them on to me as soon as he gets them!

Got to keep the thread up to date in a timely manner....

Surprised to see some of these get on the register so soon, many of the frames at Avalon were missing critical parts, ie rotors, stabilisers and even engines. Would have been interested to see how these parts etc went at auction as many would have been needed to get frames back to flying status.

Maintenance on the fliers would have been spot on by the Army so reckon that most would have been genuine bargains at the end of the day, the Bell 206 frame is a well proven frame so many of these should enjoy a second life in the civil sphere of operations. Some will no doubt be repainted, however, I hope some will retain their camo and may get their possum markings back where applicable.

Richard S

[Brenden S]

They have to be added to the register for folk like me to carry out maintenance on them.

[Martin Edwards]

I'll leave the new CASA registrations to you then Richard, saves me checking the register daily, your method sounds much easier.
When they appear here I will update the Kiowa page
As I have mentioned in another post an aircraft appearing on the register doesn't necessarily indicate anything as far as its airworthiness goes
The registrations allocated to the RAN HF are a good example.
C-47B A65-86 VH-NVD has been on the register since August 2000, now at RAAHC unlikely to ever fly again.

[richardavn]

They keep on getting added to the oz register!

Reg: VH-XKY
Manu: COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Type: B/A 206B-1
CN: 44532
Owner: CODE BLACK PTY LTD
Address: 15 Bilgola Crt, MT ELIZA, VIC, 3930, Australia
Operator: CODE BLACK PTY LTD
Address: 15 Bilgola Crt, MT ELIZA, VIC, 3930, Australia
Date Reg: 02 May 2019

So A17-032 lives on!

Ciao

Richard

[GregHyde]

Add VH-HRF

HRF
Manufacturer:
COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD.
Model:
B/A 206B-1
Serial number:
44539
No of engines:
1
Aircraft first registered in Australia:
28 May 2019
Year of manufacture:
1975
Registration holder:
CHARLES HULL CONTRACTING CO. PTY LTD PO Box 63 WAROONA WA 6215 Australia
Registration holder commencement date:
28 May 2019
Registered operator:
CHARLES HULL CONTRACTING CO. PTY LTD PO Box 63 WAROONA WA 6215 Australia
Registered operator commencement date:
28 May 2019

[Martin Edwards]

Thanks Greg uploaded to Kiowa page

[GregHyde]

And Another

EJZ


EJZ COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44516 09/07/2019 ADD JONES, Edward Lloyd 5375 Mosagiel Rd HILLSTON NSW 2675

[GregHyde]

Two more

PWU COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44540 31/07/2019 ADD WEYMOUTH, John Victor PO Box 5131 DORA CREEK NSW 2264
JQN COMMONWEALTH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. B/A 206B-1 44538 01/08/2019 ADD WEYMOUTH, John Victor PO Box 5131 DORA CREEK NSW 2264

[Brenden S]

Great to see so many of them come onto the register. A shame the Huey's were not allowed to fly.

[Martin Edwards]

Updated Kiowa page with these three additional registrations

[Brenden S]

I have transcribed some of the info from the Kiowa page to here to see the gaps from the ones which have been sold to private buyers and registered or Not yet registered. At least we know the gaps and we will just have to hurry up and wait.

A17-003 - N/A - NSW
A17-004 - N/A - Canada
A17-011 - VH-VJP - TAS
A17-015 - N/A - WA
A17-016 - VH-EJZ - NSW
A17-017 - N/A - QLD
A17-018 - N/A - QLD
A17-026 - VH-NKH - QLD
A17-028 - VH-LTL - VIC
A17-029 - VH-IKH - NSW
A17-031 - VH-JJP - TAS
A17-032 - VH-XKY - VIC
A17-036 - N/A - WA
A17-037 - N/A - WA
A17-038 - VH-JQN - NSW
A17-039 - VH-HRF - WA
A17-040 - VH-PWU - NSW
A17-044 - N/A - QLD
A17-046 - VH-ZDI - QLD
A17-047 - VH-XKH - VIC
A17-049 - N/A - VIC
A17-051 - N/A - Canada

[richardavn]

Great work Brenden,
Just noted on Aussieadsb.com that A17-011 (VH-VJP) flying today but still spitting out it's Australian Army ADSB SBS code!
Agree with your sentiment on the UH-1Hs, will be interesting as Avalon is due Australian Army S-70Bs, they already have a pile of "spares" delivered, for disposal, maybe some of the Victorian subscribers could keep an eye on Avalon for sightings.
Ciao
Richard Siudak

[Martin Edwards]

Kiowa A17-005
Bribie Island Vietnam Veterans Memorial Park opposite the Bribie RSL
Photo Chris Jamesson

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[Brenden S]

I wonder how many years before that looks like crap.

[enfield38]

I notice there's an AUSCAM Kiowa hulk towards the end of the TV add for the new Dora the Explorer kid's movie.

[GregHyde]

A17-018 added to reg as VH-CLL on 26/02/20

to

HELIFAN PTY LTD P.O. Box 3391 Newmarket QLD 4051

[GregHyde]

A17-004 added to Canadian register as C-FKAN on 27/01/2020 to Héli Centre Inc.
Victoriaville, QC, Canada