New Ran Aviation Training Ship, Contract Signed

Ahoy thar,

One bit of news that went under the radar was the acquisition and contract signing for a 2400 Tonne 90 meter Aviation Training ship based on the Netherlands Damen Shipyard's Off shore Patrol Vessel (OPV) 2400 Platform.

A crew of 60 and able to house a single MH-60R, and can be armed with a main gun up to 76mm and two 20mm Canon.

Judging by the below drawings, she's a corvette size ship,.........could this be a forerunner of a 4-6 class OPV to partially replace the Armidale Class.

Since we built two simular vessels for the RNZN,..will it be built in Williamtown Dock ,..or at the Damen's ship yards??

Doesn't say when,..as I haven't finish reading the Budget,....."so harsh, but necessary"

:unsure:

Best
Gordy

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This for real????????????????????? building it in Vietnam???? Why not Aus???? Valley of Death etc ,........


"Aust Govt contracting DMS to manage the acquisition of a single ship to be built in Vietnam and used as an aviation training ship."

Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/navy-mar.../#ixzz31kaLt400

:angry:

Gordy

I think the government only looks at the $$$$$$s on the bottom line, stuff the Australian shipbuilding industry.

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This post has been edited by Grumpy Cobra on Feb 1 2016, 11:18 PM

You're missing the point, Grumpy.........

The training ship recovers and launches unmarinised ADF helos and has absolutely zero defensive kit?

Perfect preparation for a stint in the LHDs!

:P :D :unsure:

Ah Hoy there Hardies

Yeah, the first artist rendition dated in 2014 when announced was generic, seemed exciting and possibly the forefront design of the future mission adaptive OPV.

Its a great name for her too,..per first Helio

Alas not,....but I must say for its role to help train budding young Eagles, its right for its intended role,..and, if needed in a war time role,... would be no doubt have the built-in design and reinforcement for bolt on weapons(25-35mm Chain Remote Guns etc, and the Ma Duce) should we ever get down to that equation.

Lets give "not a gonski" and remember the excess expenditure of all things socialist things resulted in the RAN not ordering a new ship, save this one, and a second hand RN Amphib during the preceding 6 years to 2014,..resulting in the valley of death in Ship building in Oz terms in the first place.

Reminds me of those 12 new subs and 20 OPVs in the 2009 White Paper, and the three AWDs ( to be all in service by 2016)......."where are they now".

Meaningful talks and announcements are a plenty by those elected then, but new ships floating and wearing the White ensign are just limited to two LPDs to date ( or is that still one?).

Arghhhhhhhhh

Hi Warhawk

Do you know where I can find any drawings of the latest design ? The original design looked quite good and I hope the latest is similar.

Thanks

Bob

Hi Bob,

I guess the Design owners would not provide any, nor Jane,......I haven't been able to source either. Rather usual problem of sourcing again,..though being a "new 2016" problem in lieu of a 1942, I think Navy Ship site,.......um,..

Can't think of the ^%$@ Name,........

But Ross Gillett per "Australian Warship" at topmill@iinet.net.au may be the winner or lead.

Crikey,..haven't ate enough red meat lately

Here's the designer's web
http://www.damen.com/en/markets/defence-and-security

Specifically
http://products.damen.com/en/ranges/crossover



Best I could do

Gordy

Thanks Gordy.

Forgot that youse guys were interested in SHIPs! OMG. The PDF attached has to be cropped due to file size restrictions here so it shows on the flight deck of SYCAMORE....

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.GIF of the thing.

This post has been edited by Luig on Nov 23 2016, 03:42 AM

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SYCAMORE specifications
Vessel Particulars
Damen Design, Built of steel in Vietnam (2015 - 2017)
AMSA / Civilian – Special Purpose Ship – Aviation Capable
LOA 93.96m Draught (max) 3.96m Gross 3254 tonnes
Civilian Crew 22 max
Commonwealth (RAN) personnel 71 overnight + 20 day only
Speed (SS4) (twin VP propellers) 17kts max / 16.2kts @85% MCR
Range @ 85% MCR in SS4 4400 nm
Aviation Flight Deck (No Hangar) Modelled on FFH (modified Perth)
Aircraft EC135, MH-60R and MHR90
Aircraft Ship Integrated Secure and Traverse (ASIST)
Aviation Radar TERMA Scanter 6002 with Mode S / ADS-B receive

Aviation Fuel Pressure / Gravity /full HIFR fuelling (77m3 F44 storage)
_________________________________________________
Acquisition / Background / Operations
Acquired for the Commonwealth by DMS under the Fleet Marine Services Contract (FMSC) CAAP
Commonwealth Acceptance of MATV platform – Q3 2017
First of Class Flight trials (EC135) in support of
Helicopter Aircrew Training System (HATS) program – Q3 2017
Transition of roles from MV Horizon – 2017
HATS Flying Operations begin – Q1/Q2 2018

Normal area of operations East Australian Exercise Area (EAXA)
Tasking planned through the Fleet Activity Schedule (FAS)
Tasking executed through the Fleet Exercise Program (FXP)
MATV available for tasking at approximately 280 days annum
___________________________________

ATV Capability
MATV is a civilian contracted crewed and maintained, RAN training platform
RAN provided Flight Deck Teams and procedural aircraft controllers (PAC)
Tailored embarked Aviation Training for
Aircrew Deck Landing Qualifications (with the Joint Helicopter School training as priority 1 – HATS)
Flight Deck Operations Training (including HIFR and VERTREP)
Procedural Air Controller (PAC) / Helicopter Control Officer (HCO)
Other Training roles / Tasks
Sea Familiarisation / NEOC training
MCD support (Mine warfare / Diving)
Consort Duties
Navigation Training / Target Towing
Practice Weapon Recovery
Government Direction / HADR / SAR
Fitted for Un-manned Aerial System (UAS) / EW through air threat sim

This post has been edited by Luig on Nov 23 2016, 03:45 AM

Difficult to post details with file size restrictions....

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Anotherie....

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Sycamore MATV Rendition + Specification sheet.pdf

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MATV graphic SYCAMORE

This post has been edited by Luig on Nov 23 2016, 04:03 AM

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LMGO,... Ahoy Luig

Yeah,..all things including M1A1s in C-17As!! (Mind you, shame the Navy can't carry these ashore by LCM, though that's peace time WHS I suspect, not overload Mil Spec)

The Colour scheme reflects the owner DMS Maritime......It will be also crewed by civilians from DMS Maritime. Launched in Vietnam on 30th August 2016.

SYCAMORE will undergo sea trials and then arrive in Sydney in early 2017.

PS: Need a pic of the 35mm recce camera installation on a RANFAA A-4G (Engine bay?)

Cheers
Gordy


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"Need a pic of the 35mm recce camera installation on a RANFAA A-4G (Engine bay?)"

Yes please - that would be nice. I have a photo of the RNZAF Perkin-Elmer Mini-Pan (same same RAN FAA singleton) in the wing situation. I believe the RAN FAA camera went there also - avoided all the runny crap in the FWD hell hole. A short video clip of an A4G approach to MELBOURNE can be seen with a camera in the wing position I'll guess.

Note the F-111 in the background

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ZOOMzoomZOOM

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NATOPS for A4G advice page one

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page two

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Thanks Luig for the pics..had the balance per Douglas A-4E_F_G Flight Manual

Had me intrigued , for I was thinking of doing an article per Recce aircraft in RAAF/RANFAA per 60/70's........including Mirage Recce Noses.

If anything on the later,...shoot to: question@adf-serials.com

Meanwhile I shall search on the NAA ....

Many thanks
Gordy :)

Just realised that an e-mail contact is likely to have a bunch of info about the PERKY ELMAfudd MiniBedPan Camera. I'll check up on it - meanwhile....

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/d...service-support

http://res.cloudinary.com/yaffa-publishing...AF2C3D73C2A.jpg

This post has been edited by Luig on Dec 15 2016, 07:55 PM

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Gordy, earlier I had assumed that you had seen some 'minipan' photo examples in the 4.4Gb PDF with a few pages (including the NATOPS pages) on the subject - all KIWI photos. So anyway here is a 1970 Kiwi example (so I guess we copied the Kiwis) and perhaps they started out with the minipan in the aft hell hole. Photos are from a Kiwi RNZAF techie wot wrote a book 'bout 'em (Kiwi A-4Ks etc.).

"Practice Air strike on the Palmerston North square clocktower taken by Minipan camera from another RNZAF A-4K Skyhawk on 4 Sept 1970" N.B. the shadow of the A-4K on the far right with the shadowmaker near the tower.

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"Attack on the ‘burnt out’ trawler the ‘Dong Wong 513’ off Dunedin on 16 Dec 1994 by RNZAF 75 Squadron A-4K KAHU Skyhawks” photo by ‘minipan’. First photo shows a bomb explosion near miss that would have been effective due shrapnel/blast effect.

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Rocket of some type - probably ZUNI - effect.

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Wow,.....guess they're really a post strike camera (1-2 Sec Post)

So you, per email, were saying only one "unit" may have been purchased. Its a rare fit then.

Anyway onto see if other types, like Sabre or Venom had a fit or two,....

Gordy

In RAN FAA the minipan was for BDA Bomb Damage Assessment or general recon. Those Kiwi photos were taken by the wingman or special assistant A-4K for taking piccies for the occasion I would think. One has to be careful of shrapnel and I guess they were. IF the camera was in the position shown in the KIWI photo then perhaps the bombdropper was taking photos as the bomber was pulling upwards out of the dive. I dunno. Can only guess.

MATV Sycamore Completes Sea Trials 20 Apr 2017 Amelia McMahon

https://www.faaaa.asn.au/matv-sycamore-completes-sea-trials/

PHOTO: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/wp-content/uploads...ore_840x487.jpg

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